Herb's Compact Macs


The most recent revision date of this page is Nov 14 2013 To order or to send email @ me follow this link.

[Mac Plus]

The Macs on this page are the first series of Macs produced by Apple. They are called "compact" Macs because they include a 9 inch monitor. Sometimes they are also called "9-inch" Macs. While they have been very common on the surplus scene all through the 1990's, they are getting hard to find these days, especially in unfaded original cosmetic condition. Many of those found (and sold on certain Web auction sites) have problems, like faulty power supplies, dirty or gummed-up floppy drives, faded CRT's, cosmetic issues. Shipping can easily damage these units. Any Mac of this vintage sold for use, needs to be tested, repaired or parts replaced - that takes time and parts. Unfortunately, it's easier to clean one up and just sell it in whatever condition it's found in.

"What's the value of these?" We can't provide a general price or apprasise YOUR Compact Mac. The very earliest compact Macs - the 128K and 512K - have both the highest prices and the most problems. The 400K floppy drives are always gummy unless previously and recently used and restored. They've had more years of exposure to fading and physical damage. But some people want that "first Mac". The SE/30 commands a higher price, because it supports a lot of memory and can run 1.4MB disks and has expansion options. The Color Classic is attractive because of the color monitor, it's often upgraded. The other "compact" Macs are still attractively styled, and functional for users comfortable with these systems.

System Prices: Because of the above circumstances, common prices for these as "systems" are generally low, except for the very early models. Anyone with an older Mac can simply sell it on the Web, for whatever they can get for it - and they DO. We can't run a business like that, we primarily sell PARTS for these systems, not the whole system. You can ask me about "complete" systems, but mostly likely any systems I'd have for sale would be on my Mac collectables Web page, if they are not listed below.

Here are the various "compact" Macs I describe on this page:

Go to our Mac home pageto see links to the other Mac systems and accessories pages I have on my site.

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA. A list of customer references can be found on this page.


Mac Plus, 512K, 128K


Mac Plus

[Mac Plus] The Mac Plus has up to 4 Megs of RAM, and an internal 800K floppy drive. Most are tan (beige), later models were "platinum" (off-white with grey keys). This one is pictured with an optional external 800K drive, the extended keyboard, and mouse. Some units with faded colors or uneven fading are offered at a discount. The 128K and 512K look very similar but have different connectors than the Plus for printer and modem; and there are variations in labling. Shipping weight for Mac Plus units is 20 lbs, 25 lbs with keyboard and mouse.

For questions about reading Mac Plus, 128K or 512K diskettes on an IBM-type PC, please review this document. Shipping weight for these systems is 20 lbs, 25 lbs with keyboard and mouse. See the parts sections for power supplies (analog cards) or floppy drives for these systems.

Note: the Mac Plus will not support 1.4MB floppy drives or diskettes. Adding a 1.4M drive won't "work" to do that.

Mac Plus logic (cpu card), $35 plus shipping, memory extra.
Memory is available - check the memory Web page
Mac Plus power supply, CRT, 800K floppy drive, and other parts are in our Mac parts page.
Keyboard and mouse would be on my Mac collectables Web page.

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA.

Mac 512K, 512KE

Mac 512K's or 512KE's See my section on Mac 128K, 512K and other collectables for any units available. They won't be cheap.

Any 512K or 512KE motherboards I'd sell would be listed in my Mac collectables page.
Memory is available - check the memory Web page.

Mac 512k and 512Ke power supply, 800K floppy, CRT and other parts are in our Mac parts page.
The 400K floppy drive is shown on my Mac collectables Web page.
Keyboard and mouse would be on my Mac collectables Web page.

512K floppy drives were either 400K or 800K. The 512 (no KE) was sold with 400K drives; the 512KE was sold with 800K drives. But the 512K and even 128K's were sometimes upgraded to use 512K motherboards and 800K drives. Some were upgraded to Mac Plus with a new back half! Here is a link to a photo of a 400K drive, the top cover plate is removed to show some of the internals. The 800K drive are half the height of this drive (2 inches, 5 centimeters) and look very different. You may be able to look inside the drive slot of a 512K and make a determination.

Mac 128K

Any 128K's I'd have for sale would be on my Mac collectable Web page. They won't be cheap.

Mac 128K logics, CPU cards, or motherboards are not available from me at this time. They require considerable testing and may require repair, due to age. Any 128K motherboards I'd sell would be listed in my Mac collectables page.

Mac 128K power supply, CRT and other parts are in our Mac parts page.
The 400K floppy drive is shown on my Mac collectables Web page.
Keyboard and mouse would be on my Mac collectables Web page.

Memory is available - check the memory Web page. Check my parts section for prices for various parts - power supply, floppy drives, keyboards, mice, hard drives.

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA.


Mac SE, SE FDHD, SE SuperDrive models


[Mac SE]

The SE series of Macs have up to 4MB of memory and a 9-inch diagonal black and white CRT. For years, these SE's were relatively common as surplus. Today, Over 25 years old, many of them have cosmetic fading (they are turning yellow). Their original hard drives are wearing out, the floppy drives are gummed up. So most of these sold "as is" without complete testing, will need work and replacment parts to get back into operation. There were two models of the SE, in the same case. The "SE" supports 800K floppy drives and disk formats. The "SE Superdrive" or "SE FDHD" also supports 1.4MB floppy drives and disk formats.

A common parts request to me is "sell me a 1.4M external floppy drive for my SE". But that may not do what you think it will do. Unfortunately, just adding an external 1.4M floppy drive to an "SE" model, will *not* enable your SE to read or write 1.4M diskettes. Specific from the Superdrive/FDHD models are also required as per the notes below.

SE systems we'd sell would be priced based on work (costs) needed to restore to working condition, plus parts value - they won't be cheap. Systems available would likely be listed in my Mac collectables page.

See the ADB accessories section for keyboard and mouse: For hard drives, review the section on other Mac hard drives for drive sizes and prices. For questions about reading Mac SE diskettes on an IBM-type PC, please review this document. Memory is available - check the memory Web page.

Mac SE models

Mac SE, 4 Megs RAM, 1 or 2 800K floppy, no kbd\mouse: ask if available and state desired cosmetic condition. Check our SCSI hard drive section for prices.
Units in better cosmetic condition will cost more.
Shipping weight 25 lbs, with keyboard & mouse 30 lbs.
SE logic only, $39 plus shipping, memory extra. There may be differences among the SE motherboards, ask for details.

SE FDHD and SE Superdrive, 4 Megs Ram, 1.4 floppy, no kbd\mouse: ask if available and state cosmetic condition. A minimum price for a working system would be above the price of an SE system for a system with poor cosmetic coloring but in good physical and working order.
Shipping weight 25 lbs, with keyboard & mouse 30 lbs.

The SE FDHD or SE Superdrive have two differences from the "SE". One, support for 1.4MB drives, see details below. Two, the SE internal frame which holds the CPU board, may not have room to allow PDS expansion cards; the SE FDHD, SE Superdrive, and SE/30 often have more room through the frame.

Superdrive upgrade NOTE: To upgrade an SE motherboard to an SE "superdrive" or "FDHD" to read 1.4M diskettes, it requires replacing three chips. The chips are two ROMS and one IWM (floppy controller chip), all as taken from a FDHD "kit" or from that motherboard/CPU board. OR, you could replace the whole SE CPU board with an SE FDHD CPU board, which includes those same chips. You also need the 1.4M floppy drive of course. Check my parts section for prices on 1.4M floppy drives.

SE FDHD logic/motherboard, or the SE FDHD/Superdrive chip set. - Ask if available and price. The chips are cheaper to ship than the CPU board, but prices for either will be about the same.

Check our SCSI hard drive section for hard drive prices
For SE add-on cards, check my Nubus (and earlier cards) section
For SE network cards, check my networking section.
Check my parts section for prices for various parts - power supply, floppy drives, keyboards, mice, hard drives.

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA.


Mac SE/30 models


[Mac SE/30]

The Mac SE/30 is a prized "compact Mac" system, as it will support a relatively large amount of memory with eight 30-pin SIMMS. There are also a number of expansion cards for the SE/30 for Ethernet networking and for external video monitors. Some people use them as printer servers, some just enjoy upgrading and modifing them, or using them as they are. We try to keep these in stock but like the other compact Macs they are harder to find.

We are NOT SELLING SE/30's, until we can offer them with motherboard parts REPLACED. These systems are now so old that critical components, like specific capacitors and the high voltage transformer, are failing from AGE. Even a working system will fail over time. We will change this post when we have made repairs and determined a proper cost for REPAIRED SE/30 motherboards or systems.

Mac SE/30, 8 megs RAM, HD (see below), 1.4M floppy, no kbd or mouse. Clean and working, $ask for price and availability but specify cosmetic condition. Shipping weight 30 lbs, with keyboard & mouse 35 lbs. *NOT AVAILABLE, SEE ABOVE FOR DETAILS**

SE/30 logics (CPU cards) are generally not available seperately, we need them to sell with systems, so we'd price the logic too high. But for non-US customers, who pay a lot for shipping, we will price the logic only if you ask.**NOT AVAILABLE, SEE ABOVE FOR DETAILS**

Check my parts section for prices for various parts - power supply, floppy drives, keyboards, mice, hard drives.

The SE/30 systems use 8 30 pin SIMMs in groups of four. For increased memory, check the memory section.
For a larger hard drive, simply add the price of the drive from my internal hard drive list. Power supplies and CRT's are also available in my parts section. For SE/30 add-on cards, check my parts section. In particular we have SE/30 video cards in the video parts section

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA.


Mac Classic and Color Classic (and II) models


Classic and Classic II systems have monochrome (black/white) CRT's, like the other "compacts". Color Classics, with their color CRT's, are hard to find, and in much more demand.

Current interest in Color Classic systems are to "mod" them to accept Power PC motherboards. That involves replacing the internal wiring harness with one from an "all in one" PowerMac. A customer sent me a number of Web links to sites which support such mods, as below. Check my Power Mac Web page for related hardware, such as CPU boards and some harnesses from PowerMacs.

[Classic ii] Mac Classic, 1 megs RAM, 40M HD, 1.4M floppy. Shipping weight 20 lbs.

Classic II motherboard, if available, $49 plus shipping.
Memory card for 4/10 megs, ask for price.
We have various parts for these available, ask for specific parts.

Note: thre are two kinds of connectors from the Classic CRT's "yoke" to the analog/power supply card, if ordering either see this note in progress for details.

Mac Classic II (Performa 200), 4 megs RAM, 40M HD, 1.4M floppy. No kbd or mouse. Shipping weight 20 lbs.
Classic II motherboard, if available, $49 plus shipping.

Color Classic system has a 68030 processor at 16MHz. shipping weight 30 lbs. Check my Mac collectables page for Color Classics and Color Classic II's.

Memory for all the above systems are available - check the memory Web page. Check my parts section for prices for various parts - power supply, floppy drives, keyboards, mice, hard drives.

http://www.colourclassicfaq.com/
http://homepage2.nifty.com/frogeye/takky.html
http://homepage.mac.com/wtnb/index.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20070806010501/http://www.stuartbell.dsl.pipex.com/PowerCC/
http://www.applefritter.com - Colour classic Forum
http://www.68kmla.org

To email or order, please follow this link for ordering information, terms and conditions. There is also info about orders outside the USA.


Herb Johnson
New Jersey, USA
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